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Invisible Neurology: "Why does pain hurt?"
posted by Deepak Chopra on September 20, 2005 at 02:50 PM

I wanted to take up a simple but mystifying question recently posed by one responder, Richard Thomas: Why does pain hurt?
? He points to the fact that brain activity consists only of electromagnetic and chemical reactions. Why do these harmless events, the same kind occurring in a compass, electrical turbine, or test tube, register as something that hurts?

Or to pose the larger question: How does the raw data of the universe get transformed by the brain into a world full of sights and sounds? To answer this question, we have to go beyond current explanations in neurology to an invisible level, but that isn't the same as saying we are off to the land of mystical reveries.

In every Eastern tradition there is some version of the "subtle body," which parallels the nervous system. Because they didn't practice neurology, the ancient sages of China and India couldn't see nerves, so they conducted their research subjectively. Looking at the body from a deep state of awareness, they saw myriad channels of consciousness or life force coursing everywhere, connecting every part of the anatomy, animating every tissue. To them, there was no hard distinction between life force (Chi or Prana) and consciousness. Where one flowed, so did the other.

This invisible neurology answered the question of why pain hurts very easily: If everything is conscious at a deep level, then there is no "raw" or unconscious data. The transformation of neural impulses into thoughts and sensations was just a twist from object to subject. Consciousness penetrates both observer and observed.

In modern science, neurology has not come close to supplying an equivalent answer, because in its denial of subjectivity and its reliance only on observable brain activity, neurology provides no interface between the two domains of subject and object. Fixed between the molecules of glucose that nourish the brain and the thought storm that fills it is an impassable gulf.

It is certainly true that we know how the nerves conduct pain signals. We can break these signals down into chemical and electrical components. We can trace where the signals go to be processed in the brain. None of this specificity goes to the level of the question, however. In what way does any chemical turn into a subjective event?

Let me give an analogy: If a car runs into a telephone pole, the explanation for what happened can be material. A mechanic can analyze exactly how the moving parts of the car operated. A neurologist perhaps one day could analyze all the processes operating in the motor cortex. If the accident was due to a mechanical cause--such as a faulty steering system or alcohol in the brain--all is well and good. But in this case perhaps the driver wanted to commit suicide. He had a subjective intention, and no amount of analysis of chemicals and material parts supplies that answer. You'd have to know what was going on at the level of mind, not the level of brain.

This is one area where we have the best chance of bringing consciousness into science, because the invisible neurology that underlies acupuncture and Ayurveda--not to mention many forms of hands-on healing--produces results. This is demonstrable, and now we have several decades of evidence (I have covered this vast field more thoroughly in various books, but so have hundreds of other writers and qualified practitioners).

An acupuncture needle is used to penetrate and stimulate the subtle body. Current explanations that deny the subtle body speak instead about nerve gateways and other physical phenomena. This would not bother the ancient sages; they were not out to replace objectivity with subjectivity but to marry the two. The subtle nerves in Ayurveda, known as srotas, are physical nerves at the material level, just as the physical heart is a material expression of an emotional and energy center located in the middle of the chest.

If this notion of a subtle body makes more inroads into Western thinking, there are huge implications for genetics and the whole field of mind and body. But for the moment, realizing that this is a foreign concept--and therefore one open to the usual scorn and skepticism, one awaits the slow tide of evidence to continue to rise.

Love,
Deepak
Comments
Love creates the world
Why then a world of pain?
Addiction to thought
What causes suffering?
Not realizing who we are
We're not this body
Posted by: Bob Fisher at September 20, 2005 03:07 PM
Hi Deepak,
Good timing, as I just returned from Bob Duggen who said it is ok to tell all on this site (lately) "to just be peaceful"! As he (my accupuncturist) and I talked about chronic pain today and the power of one to try and deal with this pain ourselves.....and to "breathe".
Something as little as wearing my watch on my other hand sort of changes the "thinking" for me to relax and slow down. Sot of like, breaking the cycle of pain to non-pain.
Thank you for your timely post!
Love, Joanie
Posted by: Joanie at September 20, 2005 03:21 PM
"I said to the Maharshi that a certain appointment I had was a waste of time. He smiled.

M: There is no time. How can you waste it?"
Paul Brunton

.....there is no pain, how can you feel it
You have answered the question.
Thank you, Deepak
Posted by: K at September 20, 2005 03:21 PM
Thank you Deepak, as you are brilliant!
Lately, I have been wondering and pondering upon how words are able to cause physical pain and/or pleasure and this pretty much explains what I was trying to understand. I believe that our subtle energy easily transfers via words from one object or person to another, as well as many other forms of transfer such as thought, etc. I would suppose one object would need to be somewhat open to another object in order to be able to send and receive, however, I think we all do this whether we are aware of it or not. So, I guess, if one wants to block, they can, as well as receiving while monitoring how much to give and take? …. I guess???????
Love,
Char
Posted by: char at September 20, 2005 03:26 PM
Hello Deepak and everyone,
I wish more medical doctors were open to this concept of subtle body. I was introduced to Chi Kung (Qigong) a few months back, a practice of which there are three aspects - form, energy and mind. The form is only exercise if you are not in a meditative state of mind to direct the chi. I've noticed in myself considerable improvement over time in entering this state and feeling the chi. I recently had a Dr.'s appointment and when asked about stress I told her I practice Chi Kung which is like the more familiar Tai Chi. She makes a joke about it, saying she drinks chi tea. I think about how many patients she could be helping if only she had asked me to elaborate instead.
Posted by: Kristie at September 20, 2005 05:17 PM
DEEPAK:
I have continued to follow your blogs and have decided at the same time to listen rather than "preach" as I feel I have more to learn then to give at the present time.
Because I've gotten a little lost here I'm asking as opposed to challenging.
"This invisible neurology answered the question of why pain hurts very easily: If everything is conscious at a deep level, then there is no "raw" or unconscious data. The transformation of neural impulses into thoughts and sensations was just a twist from object to subject. Consciousness penetrates both observer and observed."
How exactly is the question answered? Or what is the answer? WHat is this "twist" from object to subject?
Respectfully,
Fool
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 05:54 PM
The question being "Why does pain hurt?"
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 05:55 PM
Thank you so much Deepak, what a major scientific revelation and breakthrough. I had to ponder it a while, whenever I think about subjectivity and objectivity I fall into some kind of recursive thought process.
It explains why I could not comprehend why pain hurts because of physical science and the faulty perception it has taught.
Pain is actually a fact, (and science likes facts) perhaps it the the fact that some cells are inflamed. So why this fact hurt and 2 + 2 = 4 does does not? Why does excruciating pain illicit any response at all?
The reason and the point that you are making (I think), is that the subject and object are one in the same. The observer and the observed are one and the same, there is no gap.
If this was not true it would be impossible to "feel" pain. If the observer and observed were separate then you would simply just know the pain and you could just consider to react to it or not.
Still I think it is ultimately information, yet our reaction to this information is different.
It get even more interesting because I remember reading some recent research and I forget the creature. I think it was a slug. What they found that in response to pain “a sharp object” the nerve signals did travel back to the central nervous system of the slug. The cells themselves elicited and intelligent collective response and this must demonstrate and provide proof of cellular intelligence. Which as you were saying consciousness is all pervading? Such that in order for cells to do something intelligent they must have cognition and consciousness.
Doesn’t this mean that this implies that “cells are conscious” is a scientifically qualified fact? Remember the whole feedback response mechanism occurred separate from the central nervous system.
So haven’t we provided valid scientific proof of two things that conventional orthodox scientific thinking denies? Or not?
What would be behind this denial? Could it be the Ego?

Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 20, 2005 06:05 PM
That was supposed to be in the case of the slug the pain signals DO NOT travel back to the slugs central nervous system. So the higher brain could not intitiate the intelligent response.
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 20, 2005 06:09 PM
I wrote a short article about a year ago after hearing some researchers talking about studying disease in dogs. I was perturbed because they were not studying why dogs don't have cardiovascular disease which would result in much greater benefits.
So any way they mentioned that dogs all came from the wolf and this was over about 10,000 years. So I thought wait a minute. No other species on the planet has achieved this great a genetic variation in such a short time. What is different about this species? Man’s best friend. This species has been hanging out with the most intelligent species on the planet for 10,000 years unlike most the other species. Therefore intelligence must play a role in genetic modification.
I wanted to ask how many genetic random "mutations" had to occur to produce this multitude of variations. What is the mathematical probability of these mutations occurring randomly or even by selection? I think we would find the odds astronomical and as such there could only be one implication they were not random but by design.
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I would go as far as to say the genetic base has a multitude of switches that can be turned on or off resulting in major changes in design and functionality of the unit or better yet machine that plays host to consciousness, and these are initiated by intelligence of which consciousness is not separate but required.

Oh and thanks to my Father who asked the question that led me to find the answer in Linus Pauling’s research (he asked the same question as my father and had the means to find out), we know that the build up of plaque is not a life taker but a life saver. It is the bodies attempt to patch your arteries so that they don’t break when they get hard and crack. So now some of the smart ones are thinking, but wait a second, if I take anti-cholesterol drugs won’t that impair the patching process? Am I not fighting against my body by taking anti-cholesterol drugs? Yes. The correct approach is to re-establish the elasticity in your arterial walls.
Oh and the question that my father asked the doctor, who did not know the answer which led me to research and find it out what it was.
Why does the arterial build up only occur in certain places? Well the first obvious answer is these are the places of the most mechanical stress which any bridge engineer will tell you this is wear the cracks appear first. Linus Pauling discovered that when these cracks appear the cholesterol specifically for that purpose sticks to them forming a patch.
Isn’t the human body the most intelligent machine you have ever come across?
~Richard Thomas
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 20, 2005 06:44 PM
Ok now you got me thinking Richard.
Like you I have thought about pain and pleasure for many years.
Just some random thoughts. I hope some may be beneficial.
I don't know much about Biology anymore. I used to but I turned my back on many things years ago. I'll try to make sense here.
If I take a needle and puncture my hand a signal travels along a nerve path to some place in my "higher brain". Maybe a pain center.
Then a signal travels back to the area where the needle punctured my hand. I feel a burning sensation and say, "owww!!".
Am I really feeling the pain in my hand or is it in the "higher brain"? I really don't know.
When I was young a group of us young children were around the neighborhood playing. A little girl fell and cut her knee pretty bad. It was bleeding quite profusely. She did not know and was just laughing and talking. Someone pointed out that her knee was bleeding and when she looked down she gave out a hell of a scream and burst into tears. I have always remembered that and applied it to my own daughter.
My daughter is now 7 and unless it's a very bad fall and I mean bad she doesn't even cry. From birth my wife and I decided that instead of "feeding" the traumatic circumstances we immediately engage our daughter in a conversation regarding the facts around the event. Describing the sensation (location, size, color, shape, sharp/dull, etc.). Describing the event rather then playing into the drama.
I have always stated that I have a high tolerance to pain (which I do). I once put a cigarette out on the back of my hand because this guy just wouldn't stop trying to sell me an oil well. (I know a very dumb thing to do). The point is I was able to block the pain. I bring this up because you mention "knowing" the pain and being able to choose whether to react or not. Now when I look back at all the times I have experienced excruciating pain (almost cut off my fingers 4 separate times by accident) and did not react in the manor I thought one would I considered (past tense) that to be having the choice to react or not. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe I was reacting but gritting my teeth so hard I was blocking or denying the pain. Maybe that was a choice-less reaction. I'm not really sure.
The three or so times I have experience a true separation and release from the "sensation" of pain was when I sat several ten day courses of meditation. 10 hours and about 45 minutes a day with breaks (thank god). It was requested that three one hour sittings each day be sat perfectly still with zero movement.
Dude I never knew that not moving could illicit such pain. At one point in the first 10 day course I thought my leg was on fire and my bone was going to snap. At some point I remember thinking that there wasn't even a flame being held to my leg. And the pressure needed to "snap" my leg was nowhere to be found. That was on day 5. I'm not sure if it was that realization or something else but on day seven the pain vanished. Actually I remember what it was. Some how I was able to detach completely from the sensation and just observe it and it became warm and kinda felt good.
Last thought. When I used to read about eastern philosophy/religion/psychology I used to get all granola and gushy inside about concepts such as "nirvana" and "karma". In retrospect I was filtering these concepts through my catholic filter (heaven and sin).
I'd hang around with people that weren't aspiring to any kind of "higher" consciousness but we all liked to hag out, get high and "talk the talk".
Then I spent 6 months wandering around India. For anyone that's been I won't have to go into details concerning the spiritual experience.
When I got back to Switzerland and one of my neo-hippie friends would mention "karma" as though god was going to come down and hand out a get out of jail free card, I would respond, "When you drop a rock on your foot, it hurts. That's karma."
Fool
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 07:22 PM
But wait. I still want to know.
Why does pain hurt?
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 07:24 PM
RICHARD:
Do modern day wolfs also have no cardiovascular desease?
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 07:30 PM
Perhaps I am not smart enough to understand this. But, if everthing is conscious then how can we block pain by local anaesthetic? Is'nt the observer right there in the brain?
Humbly,
Morris
Posted by: Morris at September 20, 2005 07:33 PM
Well everyone certainly posted food for thought. Why do pain killers work? Do they block the flow of information or conscious awareness?
I have tried the same thing where I look at the pain signal as just information and it seems to work. Then again I have had a headache before that that did not seem to do much good.
I think there is more evidence of the influence of consciousness. That is if pain is inflicted. I think it is much worse for some reason. Also as fool mentioned the way we perceive pain has some relevance.
Then there are those that use pain to get attention, then there are those that self inflict pain to release endorphins.
If endorphins are released in response to pain or injury what does that imply as the "consciousness" response?
Then there are the Enkephalins and Endorphins are own natural opiates legally manufactured in the body how do these play a role.
Perhaps Deepak has some comments.
By the way the solution to much of the worlds drug problem is the elimination of a certain condition suffered by at least 80% of the population, at least this is the solution I am putting forth.
There is an enzyme that breaks down enkephalins and endorphins in 80% of the population there is an excess of this enzyme so these people do not get the benefits of the endorphins and enkephalins.
So yes, I figured out how to decrease these levels of these enzymes and the stuff that does it cannot be patented. So I am wondering if the will try to outlaw the human bodies own opiate manufacturing facilities.
If everyone felt good it might bring peace and the military industrial complex might not like that.
Curious as to what they are? You will just have to watch http://InfinitePlayTheMovie.com

~Richard Thomas > gifts waiting the world just needs to ask
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 20, 2005 08:09 PM
RICHARD:
With the headache thing. I noticed that I can't seem to do anything about my headache when I am feeling over run. Just to tired. This state is much like the state I feel when I have absolutely nothing to do and I actually feel energized and have the thought, "now would be a good time to meditate." And then all of a sudden I feel tired. Sometimes I actually fall asleep rather than meditate.
Although I am not an expert on Buddhism I believe the Buddha called this overwhelming tiredness one of our "enemies". Christians call it sloth. But what I'm getting at is I certainly see more of the "consciousness" line that Deepak is referring t as opposed to a purely mechanical explanation.
Some how this is "tiredness" is a part of the "conceptual filters" that Ravi refers to attempting to support the illusion that I am other then the whole. I can't possibly do anything about a headache. I am to tired to meditate.
MORRIS:
As far as "the laws of consciousness" go, maybe because we believe the anesthetic works. Maybe because the anesthetic is a part of the consciousness as well as everything else between the anesthetic and the pain the anesthetic works. I think we all know people that go to the dentist and refuse any anesthetic. Argh!! I don't like pain or my own endorphins that much.
Ok now I'm loosing myself a bit here.
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 08:37 PM
Laurence,
Could be Mycroplasmas which are the smallest, free-living infectious agents. They are distinct from viruses because of their ability to grow in cell-free media and from bacteria because they lack a cell wall and the ability to synthesize cell wall precursors. A variety of plant and animal diseases are caused by the mycoplasmas. However, only certain types have been clearly shown to cause disease in humans. Ask your Doctor about them and you will get a blank look due to impaired information flow in the industry. They may be what is behind chronic fatigue and magnesium deficiency might also be related. If it's not something like that then..
Also interesting is that is could be the imbalance that occurs after a period of brain cell use, with brain cell sodium and potassium ratios. Guess what resets the ratio’s, when the brain achieves theta dominant brainwaves. Which occurs in very deep meditation and during the sleep process or using binaural beat audio technology.
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 20, 2005 09:21 PM
DEEPAK:
I just went to Richard's site in regards to "Infinite Play" the movie. I have a Mac using Firefox so had some trouble getting to it but I did. He spoke about something and I don't no where else to bring it up. I'm hoping you might consider it in a future blog.
He speaks about games. Infinite and finite. He mentions that finite games have a winner and losers. Infinite games do not.
What strikes me and bothers me is that I have been going to my 7 year old daughters school as a parent a few times in the past two years. Although I played American football when I was young and was so competitive that it still "haunts" me to this day I am horrified whenever I see the children at my daughters school participate in competition on almost every level. Even academic. It's so heartbreaking to see the faces of the children that "loose". We as adults are numb to the devastation it causes. We almost can't remember what it is like. I am so adamant about this that I feel like approaching the faculty and asking that they suspend all competitive activity only I feel like I am being to sensitive and would be looked at like I was crazy. I would love to pull her out of that environment but my wife and the law make it almost impossible. I don't want any responses to this here as this blog is about pain. But something in what Richard was saying in his site brought up an emotional pain concerning this and I just needed to air it. I hope you open up the space to discuss this in your own enlightened way in some future blog. As corny as this has always sounded to me, now that I am a father I see that the children are the future.
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 09:21 PM
DEEPAK:
I just went to Richard's site in regards to "Infinite Play" the movie. I have a Mac using Firefox so had some trouble getting to it but I did. He spoke about something and I don't no where else to bring it up. I'm hoping you might consider it in a future blog.
He speaks about games. Infinite and finite. He mentions that finite games have a winner and losers. Infinite games do not.
What strikes me and bothers me is that I have been going to my 7 year old daughters school as a parent a few times in the past two years. Although I played American football when I was young and was so competitive that it still "haunts" me to this day I am horrified whenever I see the children at my daughters school participate in competition on almost every level. Even academic. It's so heartbreaking to see the faces of the children that "loose". We as adults are numb to the devastation it causes. We almost can't remember what it is like. I am so adamant about this that I feel like approaching the faculty and asking that they suspend all competitive activity only I feel like I am being to sensitive and would be looked at like I was crazy. I would love to pull her out of that environment but my wife and the law make it almost impossible. I don't want any responses to this here as this blog is about pain. But something in what Richard was saying in his site brought up an emotional pain concerning this and I just needed to air it. I hope you open up the space to discuss this in your own enlightened way in some future blog. As corny as this has always sounded to me, now that I am a father I see that the children are the future.
RICHARD:
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Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 09:23 PM
RICHARD:
Maybe I should just sleep more. I been burning the candle at both ends for years. I kind of did a Herman Hess's "Sidhartha" thing. I got so overwhelmed in the "Higher Consciousness" movement of the 80's (I mean deep and fully engaged) that I checked out for the 90's to pursue a purely sensual path. Thank god I didn't kill myself and now with a daughter, meditation and a website like this I may actually find my "inner" balance again.
The suggestions Deepak gives in this very blog are simple yet powerful.
I'm so used to staying up all night that I need to shift my biological clock. Sleep at night and if I'm gonna blog, do it during daylight hours." (I'm in Zürich)
I'll copy your advice and if I don't seem to find my natural rhythm I will certainly look deeper into what you are suggesting. Now to bed. it's 6:32 am. I need some sleep as my daughter will awaken in 1/2 hour. I'll check back in in about 1 and 1/2 hours.
Thanks for the input.
Posted by: Fool (Laurence Peter Brown) at September 20, 2005 09:38 PM
Laurence, I would second a desire for insight on sports and competition. I see where competition leads to violence so are the schools promoting conflict and violence with sports? Perhaps not if various wisdoms are taught in conjunction. Sports can lead to some very disturbing situations.
It is almost as if they promote seperation and ego leading to conflict. I think sports where we compete against our own prior performance are good.
The fans of many sporting events seem to be inclined to violence as well.
It was intersting reading the responses on Gothams blog about sports. Is there some good that comes out of it, perhaps if we can remember that the winner and loser are one and the same.
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 20, 2005 09:41 PM
Have a question on consciousness that intrigues me:
Deepak mentions the 'myriad channels of consciousness'. Laurence and Richard have been talking of 'levels of consciousness'.
Is it consciousness which receives 'vibes' from someone else and where do they come from?
Doesn't always often to me but have experienced very posditive as well as negative ones from people without knowing them at all. Its just something that takes over my reasoning while in their vicinity. I have looked on a face or been physically close to someone and simply felt that here is a person with peace and compassion written all over, sometimes the effect is not as positive.
I know many to whom this has happened and many who say they have never expeienced it and dismiss it as being judgemental and/or just a matter of 'first impression'.
Could anyone please explain this?
Posted by: Dara at September 21, 2005 12:58 AM
Don´t know ..nothing ´bout this topic,
but, let´s contribute from this angle,
;)
There are only two kinds of pain,
the pain of regret or the pain of dicipline,
the one weights tons and the other one onces,
- Anthony Robbins, Jim Rohn
Pain and Pleasure,
they are not opposites,
they are neighbours,
- Sylvester Stallone, The Contender
resilience,
the ability to rebounce, after a loss,
the stages:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. barganing
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
- on death and other not so ...hmmm
Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Pumping Iron,
´I´m coming!!! everywhere I go, I´m coming!!!
In the Gym I´m making love with the iron, I´m coming!! In bed I´m coming, My whole day is about coming!´
Now, that´s what we call...one hell of a neuro-association!!! ;)
Definitley a passionate lover of life ;)
And that´s maybe what it could be about?
like the woman in labor?
Love, passion an a smile
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 21, 2005 01:42 AM
charakter(istics) of resilience,
1. insight, the ability to ask tough question about yourself (and be honest with the answers)
2. independence, self refferal
3. interdependent, social
4. initiatife,
5. creative,
6. sense of humor,
7. morality,
Love, Passion ;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 21, 2005 01:53 AM
Hi Deepak,
As usual, you are simply brilliant and a trifle difficult to understand.
I think YOGA, a gift of Indian seers,provides answers to many of the modern unexplained problems.
love
Devender
Posted by: D D Sharma at September 21, 2005 02:12 AM
Dara,
I know what you are talking about. That is exactly what I have been trying to place. Ravi in another thread in his assertion about belief systems, which I also say and agree with as a practical cause to change. In the thread Deepak is putting the weight in the change of consciouness, Ravi puts the weight on Belief systems.
I give both weight, but not sure how they relate.
I do know that it could have to do with oscillating systems there effect on other oscillating systems and attention which actually applies to the changing thoughts and beliefs.
When you meet these other people doesn't it change where your attention is at or what it is on?
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 21, 2005 07:25 AM
Dear Dr. Deepak,
Once again, it is insightful to read from here. This topic is definately far infront of current neurologic and scientific analysis as it skips, or rather transcends, the all too prominent focus on the physical realm as the cause. The nonlocal realm using the play of opposites, and the drama of ignorance to intensify, or accentuate the discovery of the ceaseless reality of unity consciousness. That consciousness- unity consciousness involves to lower realms, only to progressively evolve, or realise its true nature again, is to my understanding that gigantic Brahmic dance in which existence flows.
Next, I want to mention that I omitted mentioning, in my response to your post yesterday, that the flow of knowledge from this blog has come not only from you, but from many, many "brain boxes" who inhabit this blog.
Posted by: Emmanuel at September 21, 2005 07:31 AM
Interesting post Deepak.
Isn't the feeling of pain 'hurting' in many ways pure perception? For example, we can sink an individual into a deep level of sleep and do surgery on their body. We are cutting into tissues and nerve endings that while they were awake they would perceive this cut as agony. However, without them being conscious of their bodies, there is not pain or discomfort. When they become conscious, they are instantly aware of trauma and pain and may need to use large amounts of narcotics to control that pain.
So isn't pain relative to consciousness?
Peace,
Scott.
Posted by: Scott Masterton at September 21, 2005 08:48 AM
Even more interesting, but along the same lines is that perception of pain can vary from one individual to the next...in other words, what triggers pleasure in one person may trigger a pain response in another.
For example, most people would find that a gentle touch on the neck or some sensitive body part is pleasureable. But there are those that were victims of sexual abuse as children that associate that touch with pain. Even as adults, many years after the abuse, the association can still remain the same. However, this too is not static...that person could possibly change this association within a safe and loving relationship. What once caused pain can cause pleasure.
I find the whole subject of consciousness and how it affects the physical world fascinating. It just reinforces to me that all things are perception.
Peace,
Scott.
Posted by: Scott Masterton at September 21, 2005 09:07 AM
hi Deepak,
'the transformation .....was just a twist from object to subject'
Does the twist have a 'how' or is it literally a transformation ??
Also if it was just consciousness working at a deep level then would a certain pain stimulus not produce a predictable response? We know that that is not the case - people do respond differently to the same pain stimulus and also the same person can respond differently to the same stimulus on different occasions (classical situation being not feeling war wounds until after the battle - partly attributed to the other chemicals/endorphins etc around at that time)
The subjective interpretation of the pain is influenced by other factors / past history etc
- are these added simultaneously at the time of the twist to produce the subjective experience ??
Is there any correlation with one's level of consciousness and subjective experience of pain ?? would that be expected given what you have stated ??
Rambling thoughts !!
love majic
Posted by: majic at September 21, 2005 09:29 AM
Dara, we are not separate physical entities. We are part of an invisible web of energy (prana) that unites everyone.
When we tune into this level of consciousness (the Pranamaya kosha/the vital body that Deepak has described in earlier blogs) we connect with each other at an energy level, so we can "feel" each other regardless of distance. We do not feel positive/negative vibes (these are labels given by our conditioned mind), we simply feel what exists in another point of this web of consciousness and our compatibility or resistance to it.
Ayurvedic pranic healing, Reiki and many other energy techniques work on this level and many people can intuitively tune into this dimension of ourselves.
Posted by: Aurora at September 21, 2005 10:11 AM
Richard, you write: "In the thread Deepak is putting the weight in the change of consciouness, Ravi puts the weight on Belief systems.
I give both weight, but not sure how they relate."
As I see it, Ravi's focus on changing the belief system is focused on the Manomaya kosha, the mental body. It is an important and worthwhile work. But what Deepak always underlines is that regularly tapping into the point of pure consciousness that is beyond all our koshas results in the greatest change, at all levels that emerge from that point -from the body of bliss to the physical body.
It is always good to look for ways of doing less and achieving more, all the way to where we do nothing and achieve everything.
Posted by: Aurora at September 21, 2005 10:24 AM
Deepak,
You have explained beautifully how the subtle body concept of the ancient sages answers the question ( as a matter of fact, the larger question you mentioned), which today's neurophysicists, quntum brain theorists
and other scientists are diligently working on.
Computer scientists like me would describe the subtle body interaction with the physical body in the following way: The physical brain with its systems of neurons is like the hardware of a computer. The subtle body is like the software (both programs and data) residing in it. Hence, when the brain processes sensory inputs using electrochemical processes (similar to electrical signal processing of inputs from the key board by our PC), the processing is directed by the software in it. The output of the processes is recorded in the brain's memory and becomes part of the subtle body (I think you call this mind also). This is similar to storing in a computer's
memory the pattern learnt by a learning program. Some of the output of the brain's processing may be expressed via sense mechanisms such as speech just like a programs' output is displayed on the PC screen.
This approach also explains why different people perceive the same world event differently. Consider two PCs, one loaded with a program that translates English into German and the other loaded with one that translates English into Sanskrit. If the same English passage entered into the two PCs, the first PC outputs German and the latter outputs Sanskrit. When we know that the PCs have different software, there is no mystery. The software is not as visible as the hardware, that is exactly why they are called soft and hard.
Some of the scientists of today do not seem to think the subtle body or the mind is different from the brain whereas there are biologists who think so. I read one of Amit Goswami's books after you mentioned his name and he does think mind is different from the physical body as do our ancient sages.
In any case, just like computer software, the subtle body of human beings can also be explored and managed with guidance from people like you.
Posted by: Syamala at September 21, 2005 01:29 PM
I love that you pointed out the difference between what is going on in the mind versus what is going on in the brain. I think far too few people know that there is a difference between the two.
Posted by: jo-fo at September 21, 2005 02:27 PM
I still think the mind is a tool, and it is crafted. It can be crafted by one self or by others.
Aurora can you please define "pure consciousness".
It is not that I disagree, but rather we live in a realm where the manifestation of experience is found in the lower Koshas. So to actually change it we use tools in that realm.
How would you say consciousness changes beliefs, for it is these that are resulting in conflict and disease and poverty. I would surmise that the level of consciousness could affect the choice of beliefs perhaps leading to holding only a handful of them.
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 21, 2005 03:37 PM
DARA:
Interesting thoughts. It reminded me of many instances of feeling some ones "vibes".
I think depending on the parameters of any given situation it could be one of many reasons including some you have mentioned. First impression, judging/projecting, intuition, etc.
I like this idea of Richard's where he speaks of human vibrations (oscillations) and references the vibrations of tuning forks.
Two questions for you RICHARD concerning tuning forks:
1. Doesn't a tuning fork need to be of the same frequency to influence another one brought into its proximity? I'm not sure if this is accurate. I thought I had heard this in the past.
2. If it doesn't (and even if it does) need to be of the same pitch this idea of human vibrations influencing each other in such a mechanical way never occurred to me until now. I understand that the tuning forks must be in visibly close proximity to one another in order to measure a perceptible influence. Some how I feel as if people on this blog are influencing each other in the same mechanical way although we are located all around the globe. Your thoughts please concerning vibrations, tuning forks and location/proximity.
DARA:
I think the more important thing is that whether the "vibes" you get from another person are your projections, intuition, first impression or psychic ability, the ground of being for all experience is consciousness itself. Or higher self if you will.
Just a short story that your question brought to mind when I first read it.
When I first arrived in India I was in an extremely antisocial state. I arrived there in this state. It wasn't India. It was where I had been at for some time. The first 3 days in Delhi I spoke to no one unless it concerned the exchange of money in the action of a purchase or rent.
On my forth day I saw someone that I knew from my past. As I walked toward them I searched my memory banks and as I drew nearer I realized that the chances of someone from my past and I crossing paths in India were so remote it was almost impossible. Must have been one of those people you just kinda feel like you know. And so I refrained from making contact.
A little while past and then I saw someone else and had the same strong feeling. Only this time they were looking at me and they too wore an expression of unrecognizable recognition. We stared at one another for another instance and then broke gazes and moved on. To weird I thought. (I was completely clean of any mind altering substances).
As the day went on the frequency of this experience began to increase to the point where I recognized every single person walking on the streets intimately (and Delhi streets are crowded). I felt panic and thought I was losing my mind.
And then it hit me. This was India. Everything I had ever read about eastern spirituality had not prepared me for the experience of it. I did in fact know each and every person in my field of vision. And I knew from where. From my many pasts.
The moment I had that thought all the panic subsided and I was actually able to observe it all in a state of awe. All these lives that had touch me and each other mingled in this moment of space time. And more then that they were all me at some point.
I believe you when you talk about your "vibes" from other people. I think it is a partial experience of the oneness that we are.
Today I was at a children's park with my 7 year old daughter. This guy entered my space and just kind of hung out. He looked totally out of place. He wore low cut ridiculously pointed black boots with almost marshmallow heals. Tacky black polyester pants and a button up collared long sleeve black shirt. As I observed myself making these negative observations and feeling ridicule toward him it occurred to me that he was wearing exactly what i would have been seen wearing some years ago in one of my "cool" phases. (I have them every other year or so).
Posted by: Laurence Peter Brown at September 21, 2005 03:49 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The life of Patacara,
a woman who lived in India at the time of the Buddha, a rey strong, young beautiful woman.
(dedicated to the most privileged & the most intelligent!)
[Time 550 B.C.] When her parents picked out a prospective husband for her, she secretely married instead a servant who had long been her lover. The consequence of that allegiance to her own heart was rejection by her family. She and her husband had to leave and made their home in a distant part of India.
It was the custom in that culture for a woman to return to her mother's house when it was time to give birth. She could not make it for her first child. With the second child, she started her trek alone because of her stupid husband's resistance. He soon followed.
He found them deep in the woods as a fierce storm began picking up. As he gathered wood to build a shelter for his child & pregnant wife, he was bitten by a snake & died.
Patacara gave birth alone. She sheltered her newborn & her other child with her body as the storm raged on.
She had to cross a large river to get to her parents' place. She could not cross with both children. She told the toddler to stay put & entered the water carrying the newborn.
She crossed the river, settled the newborn into a nest of leaves, & began to make her way back for her other child. But when she reached mid-river, to her horror, she saw a hawk swoop down, pick up the baby, & begin carrying it away as prey. Her only child hearing her shriek, thought she was alling him to come to her. He ran into the water towards her, & she watched as he was swept up in the waves and drowned.
--------------Bonnie Myotai Treace---------------
Patacara made her way to her old home, all alone.
Nobody showed any welcome. All showed disdain.
Patacara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wept for you! Patacara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Ignorance is the mother of all suffering."-----------Buddha
Patacara was Enlightened & stayed with Buddha for the next 20 years to help the helpless.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tyan at September 21, 2005 04:57 PM
Scott,
Let me take a shot at why we do not feel the pain when we are under the influence of anesthesia using the hardware-software model. I am not going to be scientifically accurate because I am not a brain scientist. Still, I think the idea is more or less OK. Computer circuits can be blocked to receive inputs. You might have come across key board being blocked while mouse still works. Another example is: if a damaged floppy is inserted into the floppy drive of PC, then nothing can be read from or written into that floppy (the hard drive still works). This is because the READ and WRITE are low level programs built into the electronic circuitry of The PC and are part of the hardware. Every PC has them. Similarly, if some neural circuits in the brain are blocked before they process or convey the signals to produce their trace in the memory, we do not feel the pain although we see our hand being cut.
In the second example you mentioned, where a touch on the neck causes pleasure in some and pain in others is due to difference in the psychological condition (the software) of the brains. In the former case, the touch is perceived as friendly and the latter case, as aggression.
Posted by: Syamala at September 21, 2005 06:19 PM
The original question "Why does pain hurt?"
I still don't feel that this question has been answered. Deepak put his twist on Western Medicine versus Oriental Medicine, but I still don't feel that we have answered it.
When my grand daughter is crying and wondering why she feels so bad because her teeth are coming in, I still have to say "Honey, I am sorry, but I just don't know"
Posted by: summer at September 21, 2005 07:15 PM
Was Patacara's pain more than my pain & your pain?
Was it a mental pain or a physical pain, or a spiritual pain, or an intellectual pain, or a stupid pain???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Was it a genuine pain??????
All you guys, if you were sent to Iraq or New Orleans....because you will never be willing to go there......................
Then you know what pain really is !!!!!!!!!
I did not get marry not because I didn't want to.
My friend got married & got killed because she wanted to marry to the one she really loved but her family could not afford the DOWRY!!!!
INDIAN, you say?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
She got killed.
And her family got humiliated!
Please don't hide behind the Western civilization!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please do not hide behind the base ball, the cricket, the elite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tyan at September 21, 2005 07:54 PM
Dear Tyan,
Why do you think that people hide? To avoid pain? Is it fear? of what?
To escape, or embrace pain? Is pain even necessary?
And you ask interesting questions, can pain be ..... mostly of our own making? !
The love for your friend comes shining through.
~~ K
Posted by: K at September 21, 2005 08:30 PM
Richard,
"When you meet these other people doesn't it change where your attention is at or what it is on?"
Thanks for going into this. As to your question, I'm not sure it changes my attention so much as draws my attention to the person - I suppose that actually means that yes, my attention is diverted. What I do know is my subsequent reaction. In both cases I pay careful attention to what they may have to say. However, in one case I may be doing it with trust and hope and in the other, I pay greater attention and examine it very carefully before I form an opinion. That is why when others see it as being judgemental I have to concede thay have a point.
Aurora,
Yes it did strike me as being similar to Reiki and seems logical. Am not too familiar with Reiki even though I have seen it helping someone else who was in a critical condition and great discomfort. It did not heal, it was too late for that. It did make the end far more peaceful and comfortable than what the doctors had warned the family to expect.
I have no doubts about the universal web of energy that binds us regardless. Your explanation regarding compatibility and resistance and the connection we make with each other puts things in better perspective - thanks.
Laurence,
I was amazed and fascinated by your experiences in Delhi - raises a whole heap of questions of individual sensitivity levels. Makes me question whether I am letting my existence slip away without fully appreciating, fine tuning and realising the full potential that each of us is endowed with.
More than anything else that is what I am learning here and enjoying it.
Posted by: Dara at September 22, 2005 12:59 AM
Dear Dr. Chopra,
Sorry for this unorthodox method of reaching your eyes. Had written a mail to you earlier, but not too sure, if it had reached you. If it had and you have chosen to not answer it, it is perfectly justifiable.Am reproducing part of it.
My name is Mayank Gandhi (age 46 ) and i was an atheist living a normal, mundane, struggling middle class life in Mumbai. On 16th Feb 2003, i had a spontaneous Kundalini awakening and life after that, has been an amazing roller coaster ride. One of the primary reasons that i had an awakening was that I was extremely engrossed in works related to nation building and was, inadverently, pressurizing my upper chakras all the time.
The purpose of writing to you is to firstly express my gratefulness to your writings for helping me understand some of the phenomena that was happening in my body and mind. In my desperation to come to terms with the mystical experiences, I spend most of my waking hours trying to meditate, reading on quantum physics, energy healing, vedas, upanishads, kundalini etc.
Creation of events through the use of "iccha-shakti" is what interests me. There have been a few terminal cases that have recovered and some major events created in public life due to my intervention. Documentation of the same has also been created. Please understand that the above has been written, not to bring attention to myself, but to explain my credibility.
The second reason for writing is to commend you for spreading the Indian knowledge system and to request you to use your considerable abilities to bring to the public domain the following subjects:
Kundalini, energy and its relationship with consciousness and matter, validation of the power that lies within etc
Working of the cosmos, the different planes of existence, involution and evolution, the koshas, the tattvas, the lokas in terms of physics etc.
If there is any way that I can be of help - including as a subject for kundalini or energy validation, I would be more than happy to be of assistance. Once again sorry for using this unconventional route and imposing on your time and the patience of the other readers.
Love
Mayank
modelle@vsnl.net
Posted by: Mayank Gandhi at September 22, 2005 03:55 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If you REALLY know what pain is,
then IT won't hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Nayt at September 22, 2005 04:33 AM
IT hurts because you want to hurt yourself.
You pain because you feel painful.
IT is all out of STUPIDITY!!!!!!!
My STUPIDITY!!
And yours too!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: HaHaHa at September 22, 2005 04:39 AM
Ah well, If everybody else´s spamm´s whatever´s
on their minds,
I might as well join,
because, a shared ´grow-oppertunity´ is half the problem..eeuh, ;) anyway,
Dharma - the natural, effortless path a person is intended to walk in life, Dharma is your destiny, but destiny without any hint of compulsion, or force, on the contrary, your Dharma is the path of Least resistance..
now, that and woman...
aarghhh!!!!
ah, better,
Love, Passion and a smile,
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 06:09 AM
Hi Syamala,
Thank you. Basically what you were saying is what I was attempting to rhetorically say. Really, pain 'hurts' because of our interpretation of it...or our perception. There are some anesthesia that block pain impulses. However, there others that simply put one into unconsciousness...it was those that I find fascinating, because the 'hardware' (as you put it) is in place, but the consciousness becomes disconnected from the body.
WIth the second example, pain is purely a perception of an event. After all, pain is designed (like every other bodily sensation) to help us move toward that which is nourishing and safe and away from that thing which is dangerous to our health or life. IF the perception that light touch is the prelude to danger, than the perception of the touch will be one of pain. If the touch is perceived as that which leads to love or pleasure, then the touch will be perceived as pleasant.
Thanks much,
Scott.
Posted by: Scott Masterton at September 22, 2005 07:27 AM
Tyan's NIGHTMARE----------------
"Tyan dreamt last night that she was Patacara. She was reminded that she made so many mistakes & was so ignorant resulting in her ultimate suffering. Even after spending 20 years with Buddha helping the helpless, she is still suffering now, after more than 2,500 years.
Patacara's Stupidity:-
She was in love with her servant.
She married him instead of the perfect marriage that was arranged for her by her loved parents.
She had children under the utmost dire condition.
She did it again.
She remembered the past.
She left her partner.
She took a helpless kid with her to a dead end.
She did everything out of impulse.
Her husband got killed because of her.
Her loved son got killed.
Her newborn son got killed.
She tried to inflict more pain on her loved parents & friends again.
The most inexcusable,she is inflicting pain on Tyan, 2,500 years later, who is totally innocent.
Tyan:-"GOD! What did I do to deserve this???
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Chopra, will you marry me?
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I am dying to see what is the result of the marriage of the most Intelligent with the most Stupid!!!
But we will never know. Because I promised Mrs. Chopra that I will kill Mr. Chopra with my two hands if he wants to marry me. "
Posted by: Nayt at September 22, 2005 07:44 AM
Laurence,
Fantastic experience which I think contains great revelation. I can relate to similar experience.
There is this Saint from India that I met here in the US. What was interesting is that I had been reading Deepak's how to know God a second time. Got to the part about his Saint experience and thought I would like to have that experience and then did not think another thought.
Well two weeks later I was going to one of Marianne Williamsons lectures to do the video but she had gotten sick at the Airport and could not make it. So Archarya Meenakshi Devi sort of stood in for her in part and did this meditation.
We sort of met by happenstance in the Lobby and just said Hi, not much more than that and she invited me to her house (guest house she was staying at). At first I almost declined but then I remembered the Deepak experience so I said yes. I did not know what to expect.
So I went there it was a very interesting experience. At one point she asked if I had any questions and I said yes, is it possible to destroy Illusion. She wasn't familiar with the western word, which I said was like Maya. So then she understood. She thought not, I thought that it could be at least to a large degree. Then I helped here with getting her visa issue worked out to go to Japan and we chatted about Amaranth and Leprosy and stuff.
By the way she had met Deepak apparently he had come over to somewhere for dinner but she did not know that he was the author. She said that at the time she thought he was some amazing Sufi Master. (just thought I would share that)
After that, this unusual penny appeared one that I had wanted as a child, now it wasn't the exact one but it was one that had an unusual die imperfection. It was the same essence of the penny I wanted.
Then I had like two weeks of Kundalini type experience, I wrote profusily nonstop neglecting my regular job, I didn't sleep correctly it was almost as if I was being taken over by some intelligence.
At the time I was also around some other people shall we say of a higher consciousness so I don't know what to attribute it all to.
She did invite me to come to India, and after reading your extraordinary experience I am very inclined to go there when funding and purpose permits.
Thanks for sharing
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 22, 2005 07:54 AM
Richard, pure consciousness is existence without the "I" who experiences it. You could also call it pure being. We tap into that level when we meditate (in the gap between thoughts) or in any situation when the line between the experiencer and the experienced is erased.
You say "we live in a realm where the manifestation of experience is found in the lower Koshas. So to actually change it we use tools in that realm".
We actually live in all realms at once, but we are not always aware of them. It is impossible to live only in the physical realm, because reality comes into being like a fountain of levels, from the more subtle to the more material, all coming from the central point of pure consciousness. The gross levels are born out of the more subtle levels and cannot exist without them. We all live in all levels at once, therefore tools on any level can affect anyone, and the more subtle the level of the tools, the more deep and wide the effect will be.
You say "How would you say consciousness changes beliefs, for it is these that are resulting in conflict and disease and poverty. I would surmise that the level of consciousness could affect the choice of beliefs perhaps leading to holding only a handful of them."
Reaching deeper levels of consciousness, the ones beyond the manomaya kosha(the mind body) means that we stop identifying with the mind and its belief system and conditioning. We see the mind body as just another body included into what we call "I". The moment we are free of this identification we are truly free to observe the mind and change its software. It is much more effective and effortless to do this from levels beyond the mind, than to be IN the mind and try to change the conditioning through affirmations, mind control and so on. The mind needs beliefs in order to function, but these beliefs are not automatic anymore, we are free to choose a belief system that is in tune with our true nature.
Posted by: Aurora at September 22, 2005 08:30 AM
Rumour has it that Mr. Chopra got his parents', his kids', & his wife's permission to marry Tyan, providing Tyan chopping her two hands first.
So now Tyan is waivering between some physical pain & metaphysical pain.
And the answer is?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Tyan?
Posted by: HaHaHa at September 22, 2005 08:31 AM
We Are Alive - Paul Van Dyk
Have you seen a mother
Kiss her son goodbye.
Have you seen a dark cloud?
Fight a silver line
I have seen a loved one
Tell a million lies
Karma's like a boomerang
Whirling deep inside.
May not know
A thing about you.
You don't know
A thing about me.
May not know
A thing about you
But if we really feel...
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a break
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a deep breath
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a break
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a deep breath
We're alive
Put me on an loveplane
Let's fly up to the sky
Help me, love will be
The foolest game to get me high.
Let's drive out this highway,
Feel the future vain.
Let this twist and wanna love you so,
Here we go.
You don't know
A thing about me.
I don't know
A thing about you.
You don't know
A thing about you.
But let's enjoy the view...
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a break
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a deep breath
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a break
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a deep breath
Don't take yourself too seriously.
Relax, release the heat
We may wear different clothes,
Pray to God in different vogues
But we're not alone.
We are alive...
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a break
We are ali-i-i-ve...
Take a deep breath
We are ali-i-i-ve...
We are alive, we're alive yeah
We are ali-i-i-ve
We are alive
We are alive
Take a deep breath
Take a deep breath
Take a deep breath
Take a deep breath
pranayama?
Love, passion and a..;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 08:56 AM
Ignition
Now,um,usually I dont do this but uh....
Go head' on and break em off wit a lil' preview of the remix....
No I'm not tryin to be rude,
But hey pretty girl I'm feelin you
The way you do the things you do
Remind me of my Lexus coup
Thats why im all up in yo grill
Tryina get you to a hotel
You must be a football coach
The way you got me playin the field
So baby gimme that toot toot
Lemme give you that beep beep
Runnin her hands through my 'fro
Bouncin on 24's
While they say on the radio...
It's the remix to ignition
Hot and fresh out the kitchen
Mama rollin that body
got every man in here wishin
Sippin on coke and rum
I'm like so what I'm drunk
It's the freakin weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun
Bounce Bounce Bounce Bounce Bounce Bounce Bounce
Bounce Bounce Bounce
Now it's like murder she wrote
Once I get you out them clothes
Privacy is on the door
Still they can hear you screamin more
Girl I'm feelin what you feelin
No more hopin and wishin
I'm bout to take my key and
Stick it in the ignition
So baby gimme that toot toot
Lemme give you that beep beep
Runnin her hands through my 'fro
Bouncin on 24's
While they say on the radio...
This is the remix to ignition
Hot and fresh out the kitchen
Mama rollin that body
Got every man in here wishin
Sippin on coke and rum
I'm like so what i'm drunk
It's the freakin weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun
Crystall poppin in the stretch Navigator
We got food every where
As if the party was catored
We got fellas to my left
Hunnies on my right
We bring em both together we got junkin all night
Then after the show its the (after party)
And after the party its the (hotel lobby)
And round about 4 you gotta (clear the lobby)
Then head take it to the room and freak somebody
Can I get a toot toot
Can I get a beep beep
Runnin her hands through my 'fro
Bouncin on 24's
While they say on the radio...
This is the remix to ignition
Hot and fresh out the kitchen
Mama rollin that body
Got every man in here wishin
Sippin on coke and rum
I'm like so what I'm drunk
It's the freakin weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun
This is the remix to ignition
Hot and fresh out the kitchen
Mama rollin that body
Got every man in here wishin
Sippin on coke and rum
I'm like so what I'm drunk
It's the freakin weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun
Girl we off in this jeep
Foggin windows up
Blastin the radio
In the back of my truck
Bouncin up and down
Stroke it round and round
To the remix
We just thuggin it out...

What can I say..playfullness, carelessness,
I must have some kind of ..Dharma ;)
Love! passion!
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 09:32 AM
These words are my own...
straight from the hart,
Threw some chords together
The combination D-E-F
Is who I am, is what I do
No one's gonna let it down for you
Try to focus my attention
But I feel so A-D-D
I need some help, some inspiration
(But it's not coming easily)
Whoah oh...
Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Don't you know, don't you know, don't you know?
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later
These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you,
I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...
Read some Byron, Shelly and Keats
Resided in over a Hip-Hop beat
I'm having trouble saying what I mean
With dead poets and drum machines
I know I had some studio time booked
But I couldn't find a killer hook
Now you're gonna raise the bar right up
Nothing I write is ever good enough
These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better sayI love you, I love you...
I'm getting off my stage
The curtains pull away
No hyper bowl to hide behind
My naked soul exposes
Whoah.. oh.. oh.. oh..
Whoah.. oh..
Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later
These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you,
I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you...
I love you, is that okay...?
I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined
I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned
Staring at the blank page before you
Open up the dirty window
Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find
Reaching for something in the distance
So close you can almost taste it
Release your inhibitions
Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Only you can let it in
No one else, no one else
Can speak the words on your lips
Drench yourself in words unspoken
Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins
The rest is still unwritten
Oh, oh, oh
I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines
We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way
Staring at the blank page before you
Open up the dirty window
Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find
Reaching for something in the distance
So close you can almost taste it
Release your inhibitions
Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Only you can let it in
No one else, no one else
Can speak the words on your lips
Drench yourself in words unspoken
Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins
Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Only you can let it in
No one else, no one else
Can speak the words on your lips
Drench yourself in words unspoken
Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins
The rest is still unwritten
Staring at the blank page before you
Open up the dirty window
Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find
Reaching for something in the distance
So close you can almost taste it
Release your inhibitions
Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Only you can let it in
No one else, no one else
Can speak the words on your lips
Drench yourself in words unspoken
Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins
Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Only you can let it in
No one else, no one else
Can speak the words on your lips
Drench yourself in words unspoken
Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins
The rest is still unwritten
The rest is still unwritten
The rest is still unwritten
Oh, yeah, yeah
Natasha Bedingfield
http://marekdariusz.blogspot.com/
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 09:42 AM
Aurora,
That was a wonderful explanation of pure consciousness and the Koshas and how to bring about changes at the various levels. You know it all so well.
Posted by: Syamala at September 22, 2005 09:44 AM
Dr. Wayne Dyer says that your soul mate is the person who you can't stand but are in your life to teach you a powerful lesson.
for more detailed information on this topic, see Dr. Wayne Dyer´s ´Manifesting your Destiny´ program and others, on
http://www.drwaynedyer.com/home/index.cfm
- That´s great news, Wayne! but what if, you just can´t sue that lovely fanny?
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 09:46 AM
One should try out EFT for emotional pain, physical pain and later on performance improvement. The pain exists since you have not accepted yourself deeply and completely . No sooner you accept yourself, the intensity of the pain reduces dramatically. Repeated acceptance,release and affirmation cycle through tapping various points given in EFT can reduce the consciousness of pain greatly.
(EFT stands for Emotional Freedom Technique)
I use it for physiological pain, emotional pain with quick , long lasting success.
Posted by: Nikhil Shah at September 22, 2005 09:49 AM
Hi Deepak:
I am from Mexico City. I just want to tell you Since I read your book: Synchrodestiny my life has change and real miracles start happening to me.
Thank you
Posted by: Jorge Manterola at September 22, 2005 10:18 AM
Rumour has IT:-
Bring IT all out!!!!
They were all negotiating for a peaceful settlement:-
-chop of one hand
-just chop off some fingers
-Gotham: cut off her extra finger nails, just as a symbol...they are dirty anyway!!
Tyan:"Not an hair" and she walked out of the door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is so attached to her physical 'form' that she is going to suffer eternally!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: HaHaHa at September 22, 2005 10:33 AM
Marek,
Lovely lovely poems!!!!
Did I propose to you before & you said NO?
Never again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't even want to see you in a London pub!!
Posted by: Tyan at September 22, 2005 11:04 AM
Tyan,
get lost man!, woman.., whatever you are, nobody seems to grasp ´a clue´ about you, Divine Being, in any case, Namaste! but don´t bug my ´courtship´business here ;)
Love, Passion and smile ;)
How is the synchrodestiny cq quantumhealing going?
Ps. The beer in a London pub is freakin´beyond my ´abundence´ abilities to get..;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 11:43 AM
Chasing Forever Lyrics
by Will Smith
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Early mornin' wake up
Gently with the Caress on your hand
And that Kimono that I bought you on my trip to Japan
Sunshine peekin through the venitian blinds
Four years, and like wine, you got finer with time
I got a question, if the prodda dressin and the Gucci
All got goes, and the freeze on the Lucci
I mean real bad girl, I'm talking rougher than rough
Do you think it'd be enough if we just had us?
Don't answer quick, think about it cause I'm askin for real
Golddiggers goin' to hear this song drivin and crash at the wheel
Forever is a long time, so far we gettin along fine
No car I ever drove, no ice I ever saw
No music I ever made, ain't nothin I wanted more
We could deal with whatever together
Sunshine, all that other weather, when we chasin forever
Chorus:
I wanna stay with you forever
I wanna spend all my life with only you
I wanna stay, lets stay together
Chasing forever, with only you
Verse 2:
Chasin forever, a buckwild, endeavorous scene
Should we pursue with somethin real or just chasin a dream
Or casin' the scene
Fore I die I plan
To see your soul and eternity in the palm of my hands
Now as a man, there's certain things I'm lackin for sure
But I'm committed to growin and coming at you mature
In the future, I know it ain't gonna be all good
But when we feelin the hurt, if we willin to work
The eight ball will never turn to see us behind
Though I ain't no knight, and my armor don't shine
My mom said the lynch pin of love is trust
An taught me monogomy is uh, monogamous
Plus, for you dinner by candlelight
Now don't commit before you sure you understand me right
It's a race to a strange place, most see never
It's a chase we gotta make together, forever
Chorus
Verse 3:
Now you would think after all my heartbreaks I'd be cruel
Hiding behind my ego, evil but no
Much the contrary, I'm very much certain
You searchin for joy, it's on the other side of hurtin
Finally found a person, worthy of all
Instead of pushin me down, you wanna cushion my fall
Your eyes could make the sun rise, all the birds sing
Seal it with a kiss, bind it with a ring
More carrats than even bugs could eat in a week
An the ribbon in the sky, close your eyes don't peek
I'll tell you what I see in the future
A hacienda so cute with, five little kids callin you mom and callin me dad
Havin more good times than JJ had
Judging by the look in your eyes, you see it
Let no man sever, welcome to forever
Chorus to fade

because..;)
Gonna Make You an Offer You Can't Refuse
Jimmy Helms
Gonna make you an offer you can't refuse
Gonna put my finger on you
Cause I need you so
And I won't take no for an answer
In my life I've had a time
Had to fight for what was mine
And I don't intend to lose my crown
But every time I look at you
And the beautiful things you do
Every single nerve in my body says hold it down
So now I'm putting about the feeble word like what must be must be
Didn't you know that you belonged to me
Gonna make you an offer you can't refuse
Like a puppet thing, when I pull the string
You're the dancer
Gonna make you an offer you can't refuse
Gonna put my finger on you
Cause I need you so
And I won't take no for an answer

Did you ever sit waiting, hoping, wanting something that never was going
to be
I've got a feeling deep inside
That I need you by my side
And I won't let up baby till I do
Yes I know I make you smile
But things will change in a little while
Cause I never say a thing I mean that don't come true
Believe me I don't want to hurt you
But my heart won't set you free
Surely you know that you belong to me
Gonna make you an offer you can't refuse
Gonna put my finger on you
Like a puppet thing, when I pull the string
You're the dancer
Gonna make you an offer you can't refuse
Put my finger on you
Cause I need you so
But I won't take no for an answer
Gonna make you an offer you can't refuse
Gonna put my finger on you
Like a puppet thing, when I pull the string
You're the dancer
Gonna make you an offer you can't refuse
Put my finger on you
Cause I need you so
And I won't take no for an answer
Repeat to fade
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 11:55 AM
there I´m done! ;)
And for the rest of the blogger family,
It´s a love thing..
Love, passion!
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 12:00 PM
one more, sorry..sue me ;)
love,
A Polish Gentleman, but you can call me Peter Pan too..;)
Artist: RAY PARKER JR. Song: YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT
Honey, I'll always love you
I promise I'll always love you
'Cause I think the whole world of you
And you can't change that, no, no
There's nothing you can do or say
I thought about this for many a day
And my mind's made up to feel this way
And you can't change that
'Cause you're the only one I love
And you can't change that
You're the only one I need
And you can't change that
(You're the one I love)
You're the only one I love
And you can't change that
You're the only one I need
And you can't change that
Now you can try if you want to, whoa
You can change your telephone number
And you can change your address too
But you can't stop me from loving you
No, you can't change that, no, no
You can change the color of your hair
And you can change the clothes you wear
But you'll never change the way I care
No, you can't change that
'Cause you're the only one I love
And you can't change that
(You're the one I love)
You're the only one I need
And you can't change that
You're the only one I love
And you can't change that
You're the only one I need
And you can't change that
(You're the one I love, girl)
Now you can try if you want to
(Try me, baby, whoa)
No, you can't change that
(You're the one I love)
You can try but you can't change that
(You're the one)
Now you can change your telephone number
You can change your address too
But you can't stop me from loving you
No, you can't change that, mmm
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 02:17 PM
The free will doctrine...
A big issue in law and philosophy,
But all is fair in ...and (I don´t do the other one, Peace is the way ;)
Read some Neale Donald Walsh on the free will thing that, Deepak on Dharma..;)
Love,
Lovin´livin´it´s all good ;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 22, 2005 03:42 PM
Scott
Thanks. glad that we are on the same wavelength.
Actually, to stop reading from and writing into computer memory, the hardware need not be damaged. I was just picking up some examples. An example of hardware and software both healthy but doing nothing is: we usually lock the screen if we are going to be away from our desk for a while. The screen can be unlocked only with a password. That prevents access to the PC unless the password is entered to unlock. I am not saying that this example precisely represents the anesthesia case you mentioned. You can kill a program while it is still running by a command from the key board, invoke it or not invoke it all via commands from outside. Similarly you can influence some memory functions of the brain by giving drugs. The point is that the relation between the brain and mind is the same as that of hardware and software in a computer. There is a big difference though. The software is stored in the computer as a pattern of it physical memory cells. So, the software becomes a part of the hardware. Thoughts in the brain or not merely neural patterns of the brain's memory although they cause formation of neural patterns.
Did anybody prove it? No, not yet in modern science. The subtle body, while it interacts with the brain throughout life, has independent existence. When the physical body dies, the subtle body survives!
Well, that is what I understood from what I read and what I heard.
Posted by: Syamala at September 22, 2005 04:04 PM
“Don't water your weeds.”
Posted by: K at September 22, 2005 05:05 PM
Aurora,
Good stuff. So does ~awareness without thought, qualify as a definition?
I am still thinking about "the mind requires beliefs."
Does a newborn child have a mind?
Just curious, do you think a dog has beliefs?
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 22, 2005 07:52 PM
Sometimes it is hard not to water the weeds, they grow close to the flowers and veggies, because that is where the fertilizer is, so we must pull them. But that sounds so violent.
Do weeds have a purpose?
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 22, 2005 07:56 PM
What creates a weed, not understanding their purpose, or is it a projection of our mind?
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 22, 2005 07:57 PM
ah, now you are on to something, Richard!
The sun shines on all. Rain falls upon the flowers and the weeds.
Indeed, could weeds have a purpose beyond what we commonly think. And how so, if we apply it in a spiritual context?
~~ K
Posted by: K at September 22, 2005 10:55 PM
Richard, I'd say awareness without thought and without any sense of identity.
"Does a newborn child have a mind?" If you mean the person, the physical body of the new born child, it doesn't have a mind, it is the product, the materialization of a mind. The body is in the mind, not the other way around.
You talk about dogs and plants, it's interesting. When I look at it, this is what I see: everything in our world is consciousness, created from the point of pure consciousness and existing in the different layers (koshas)- bliss, ego, mind, energy, physical body. Even plants, animals and objects are expressions of this sequence of creation. The difference lies entirely in the degree of awareness, in how aware consciousness is of its own existence.
So, creation expands from the point of being to the infinite expressions of the physical realm, like an exhalation, while awareness of being goes inward, from awareness of physicality to awareness of being, like an inhalation. As they say, the universe curbs back on itself.
The awareness of objects, plants and animals is open only to the lower levels of the physical kosha. They exist on all levels, but are not even aware or barely aware of their physical existence (objects are not at all aware while animals are more and more conscious, depending on how evolved they are). Human beings are fully aware of their physical existence, and many have even opened up to the higher koshas.
So, when you ask if a dog has beliefs, I'd say that no, a dog doesn't have beliefs in the same way a human being does, but that a dog is still a manifestation of the mind. A dog is not aware of the mind and functions according to reflexes and conditioning that are programmed in all life and are meant to sustain physical existence (for example, the collective "bird mind" tells birds how to migrate). These are not beliefs, but life supporting built- in reflexes.
The belief systems of human beings are necessary, because we function much more from our mind level. As I see it, beliefs are a tool for changing physical reality we have acquired as soon as we collectively became more aware of our mind. Animals are not capable of consciously changing their physical reality from the mind level, but we are. Right now, human beings are still quite confused about beliefs, mind and the way we create reality, still perceiving that the mind is a product of the body, or that minds are separate. But the more we become aware, the more our perception will change.
Posted by: Aurora at September 23, 2005 02:10 AM
Dear friends,
Q:
1. Do weeds have a purpose?
2. What creates a weed, not understanding their purpose, or is it a projection of our mind?
3. Indeed, could weeds have a purpose beyond what we commonly think. And how so, if we apply it in a spiritual context?
A:
1. All the phenomenae occuring in the Maya reality, have none meaning other than the meaning you give it,
Vedanta, Neale, Deepak
2.
or is it a projection of our mind?
- Bingo! the self curving back into itself and..
re-creating itself? putting attention to different aspects of itself? like the macro-cosmos the micro?
3.
How can we use weeds in spiritual context?
- contrast
- karmic conditioning
- like a omen that your...needs gardening?
- for fun, play and recreational purposes
Anthony Robbins, on weeds, ah, onther time,
Love, Passion and the zen of gardening ;)

Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 05:51 AM
The question that I ponder about,
hhmnn...woman..princesses...;)
and why do capricorns have to be the most stupborn of all signs?
and why did I have to tover so many of them in my life?
And why is there a Jane in the Peter Pan fairytale?
and who invited Cupido?
and Tinkelbell, busy, I presume?
Disney´s Return to Neverland,
An all new adventure, only in cinemas,
or your imagination, or your (inner) child?
http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/characters/peterpan/peterpan.html
http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/
http://www.miramax.com/findingneverland

Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 06:14 AM
Marek,
The first thing I said about you:
You think too much & you quote too many.
When are you going to quote youself?
Now, finally you show your real self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am glad! Some wise man says he never understand woman. I am real stupid & I am a woman. I never understand myself.
There is this famous London pub, you know!
See you there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Tyan at September 23, 2005 06:15 AM
haha,
Love, Tyan,
Maybe a good idea..;)
Peter Pan,
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 06:23 AM
Do weeds have a purpose???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
What an intelligent question!!!!
Does a stupid woman like Tyan have a purpose?
Richard??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Are you trying to replace Mr. Chopra?
Posted by: Tyan at September 23, 2005 06:29 AM
Dear Tyan,
don´t you know..
"You were created to be completely loved and completely lovable for your whole life."
All of us need to believe that we are loved and lovable. We began life with confidence on both points, bathed in a mother's love and swaddled in our own innocence. Love was never in question, but over time our certainty clouded. When you look at yourself today, can you still make the two statements every infant could if it had the words?
I am completely loved.
I am completely lovable.
Few people can, for looking at yourself honestly you see flaws that make you less than completely lovable and less than perfectly loved. In many ways this seems right to you, for perfect love is supposedly not of this world. Yet in a deeper sense, what you call flaws are really just the scars of hurts and wounds accumulated over a lifetime. When you look in the mirror, you think you are looking at yourself realistically, but your mirror doesn't reveal the truth that endures despite all hurt:
You were created to be completely loved and completely lovable for your whole life.
In a way it is amazing that you do not realize this..;)
Path to Love
Posted by: lonely guy in a London pub at September 23, 2005 07:00 AM
At this very moment, weeds are growing close to my rose plants in my back yard. They are growing fast and well because I did put some rose food around the rose plants. This was before there were any weeds around them. The weeds are now almost as big as the rose plants. I see them everyday but I am not able to pull them because they seem so healthy and happy and I say to myself why should I be partial to the rose plants. So, they are growing! When winter comes they will probably die. Next spring, the rose plants will come back. The weeds may or may not because the maintenance people come and clean the yard. So, I will see. To Nature, they are all plants, and it is all life, there is no distinction between one plant or another. I think what we call a weed has exactly the same 'purpose' as the rose plant.
Posted by: Syamala at September 23, 2005 09:43 AM
depends on who the observer is,
the criteria,
and the intention or desire,
so to speak dharma,
Love,
Posted by: lonely guy in a London pub at September 23, 2005 11:52 AM
We have been using the words awareness, consciousness, and mind sometimes interchangeably and sometimes with different meanings. That is why the need to refer to "pure consciousness" arose. Then came the need for "defining" pure consciousness as opposed to what? consciousness?. There is an advantage to making some definitions and sticking to them. It provides clarity.
Does a new born child have a mind? Does a plant have a mind? Does an insect have a mind? Yes, they all do. Every living thing has a mind and a physical body. On the other hand, a stone has NO mind. No lifeless object has a mind. Here, the word mind I use spans the Manomaya and Vigyanamaya Koshas.
Mind is the difference between the living and the lifeless. Although pure consciousness is in and out of everything in the universe, we think that the stone is not conscious or not aware (as Aurora puts it). After all, a stone and a dog are both embedded in the all pervading pure consciousness and pure consciousness is in them both. What is different in a stone versus a dog? A dog feels pain when it is hurt and a stone does not (I guess this can be verified scientifically). A stone has no thoughts, no feelings, no emotions, no beliefs, etc. These are all part of the subtle body, the software; but none of them are part of pure consciousness. The stone is a physical object and has no subtle body interacting with it whereas every living being has a subtle body and a physical body (the software and hardware) interacting with each other. This interaction allows living beings to respond interactively to the environment in a way, which is perceived by us as being conscious or intelligent. The level of intelligence or level of consciousness (the phrase in use on this website) depends upon both the level of evolution of the physical body and that of the subtle body. In reality, the subtle body (an accumulation of memories) is not "conscious" either. That is why the mind is also a tool. It can be changed and influenced. Only pure consciousness is conscious and provides the background for the entire show. Mind evolves. Physical body evolves. Pure consciousness does not change. It is the same for ever and ever.
Posted by: Syamala at September 23, 2005 12:25 PM
lonely guy,
You are right. I should say that the rose plant and the weed both have the same purpose from the point of view of the rose plant and the weed. They both want to grow. From our viewpoint, the rose plant is beautiful and the weed is useless. Once again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Posted by: Syamala at September 23, 2005 12:37 PM
Falling in love feels like an accidental occurrence to many people, but in spiritual terms it is not--it is the entrance point to love's journey. Romance has several distinct phases of its own for us to explore--attraction, infatuation, courtship, and intimacy--each partaking of a special spiritual significance.´-
too..;)
it´s all subjective, baby!
Love, Passion,
Ps. I don´t ´do´ lonely-ness..;)!,
and coming from the land of abundance, applepie in particular, Poland..well..a gentleman can make an offer, the lady just can´t refuse..;)
but that´s too all subjective..;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 01:11 PM
http://girlsinmylife.blogspot.com/
http://appeltaart.blogspot.com/
signs?
I'm not sure of what I see
Cupid don't fuck with me
Are you tellin' me this is a sign?
She lookin' in my eyes
Noticin' no other guys
Are you telling me this is a sign?
Ooh
(Bridge)
Don't think about it
Boy leave her alone
Nig, you ain't no G
She likes my tone my cologne
and the way I roll
You ain't no G
It's legit
You know it's a hit
When the Neptunes and Doggy Dogg full of spit
You know we is in Tune with the season
Come here baby, tell me why you leavin'?
Tell me if it's weed that you need
If you wanna breathe
I got the best weed, minus seeds
Ain't nobody trippin VIP they can't get in
If something goes wrong then you know...
(Chorus)
I'm not sure of what I see
Cupid don't fuck wit me
Are you tellin' me this is a sign?
She lookin' in my eyes
Noticin' no other guys
Are you telling me this is a sign?
Ooh
(Bridge)
Don't think about it
Boy leave her alone (Ohhh)
Nig, you ain't no G
She likes my tone my cologne
and the way I roll
You ain't no G
Now you steppin' with a G from Los Angeles
Where the helicopters got cameras
Just to get a glimpse of our chucks and our khakis and our bouncing cars
You with your friend, right?
Yeah
She ain't tryin' to bring up on her man, right?
No
Shit, she ain't gotta be in a distance
She can get high all in an instant.
(Chorus)
I'm not sure of what I see
Cupid don't fuck wit me
Are you tellin' me this is a sign?
She lookin' in my eyes
Noticin' no other guys
Are you telling me this is a sign?
Ooh
(Bridge)
Don't think about it
Boy leave her alone
Nig, you ain't no G
She likes my tone my cologne
and the way I roll
You ain't no G
Mami, Mamasita
Have you ever flown a G-five
From London to Ibiza
You gotta have Cape Town
You'll have Sundaes, wit chikitas
You'll see Venus, and Serena in the Wimbledon Arena
And I can take care of you
(Chorus)
I'm not sure of what I see
Cupid don't fuck wit me
Are you tellin' me this is a sign?
She lookin' in my eyes
Noticin' no other guys
Are you telling me this is a sign?
Ooh
(Bridge)
Don't think about it
Boy leave her alone
Nig, you ain't no G
She likes my tone my cologne
and the way I roll
You ain't no G
Nigga don't be young and foolish
You don't know what you're doing
You don't know what you've lost until she's gone (gone)
She got pretty face, drove you wild
But you ain't have that Snoop Doggy Dogg Style
(Chorus)
I'm not sure of what I see
Cupid don't fuck wit me
Are you tellin' me this is a sign?
She lookin' in my eyes
Never seen no other guys
Are you telling me this is a sign?
Ooh
Justin Timberlake lyrics - Signs (with Snoop Dogg and Charlie Wilson)
http://signssignssigns.blogspot.com/
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 01:30 PM
DARA:
You are not allowing your "existence slip away without fully appreciating, fine tuning and realizing the full potential that each of us is endowed with."
At this moment you are participating in the realization of your full potential and sharing that awakening. Where you have been at, are at and will be at are all exactly as it should be.
Yesterday and today I have been moving through space and time with the slightest of easy like the daring young man on the flying trapeze. Life is effortless and I find my critical judgments in a state of suspension. All is exactly as it should be.
I attribute this, to a large extent, to the interactions on this website.
WEEDS:
I used to be an avid weeder. Pull them with something like disgust. For a reason not apparent to me I decided to let the weeds grow along side my flower garden this summer. Not only did my flowers thrive with their nearby neighbors but the weeds eventually flower with some incredibly complimentary flowers of their own.
RICHARD:
Let me know when you get ready to go. I may join you for a leg of your journey.
Posted by: Laurence Peter Brown at September 23, 2005 01:53 PM
SYAMALA:
According to your definition of "mind" I would say that plants do not posses a "mind".
I may be misunderstanding your concept of mind.
Maybe you could spell out the differences between mind, consciousness and pure consciousness,
Posted by: Laurence Peter Brown at September 23, 2005 02:03 PM
Over And Over (Feat. Tim McGraw) Lyrics
Cause its all in my head
I think about it over and over again
And I can't keep picturing you with him
And it hurts so bad, yeah
Cause it's all in my head
I think about it over and over again
I replay it over and over again
And I can't take it yeah I can't shake it
Nooo
I can't wait to see you
Want to see if you still got that look in your eyes
That one you had for me before we said our goodbyes
And it's a shame that we gotta spend our time
Being mad about the same things
Over and over again
About the same things
Over and over again
Ohh
But I think she's leavin
Ooh man she's leavin
I don't know what else to do
(I Can't go on not loving you)
Cause its all in my head
I think about it over and over again
And I can't keep picturing you with him
And it hurts so bad, yeah
Cause its all in my head
I think about it over and over again
I replay it over and over again (yeah)
And I can't take it (yeah) I can't shake it
Nooo
I remember the day you left
I remember the last breath you took right in front of me
When you said that u would leave
I was too damn stubborn to try to stop you or say anything
But I see clearly now
And this choice I made keeps playing in my head
Over and over again
Playin my head
Over and over again
Ohh
I think she's leavin
Ooh man she's leavin
I don't know what else to do
(I Can't go on not loving you)
Cause its all in my head
I think about it over and over again
And I can't keep picturing you with him
And it hurts so bad, yeah
Cause its all in my head
I think about it over and over again
I replay it over and over again
And I can't take it I can't shake it
Nooo
[Now that I've realized that I'm going down
From all this pain you've put me through
Everytime I close my eyes I lock it down
I can't go on not loving you]
Cause its all in my head
I think about it over and over again
And I can't keep picturing you with him
And it hurts so bad, yeah
Cause its all in my head
I think about it over and over again
I replay it over and over again
And I can't take it I can't shake it
Nooo

uh uh uh uh
uh uh uh uh
uh uh uh uh
uh uh uh uh
uh uh uh uh
uh
Over and Over again
Over and Over again
Cause it's all in my head
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 02:06 PM
Dilemma?
ellen..
je mag me hebben meisje..;)
[Nelly]
uh-uh
check'it check'it
uh-uh-uh
[Kelly]
I, love you and I, need you
Nelly I, love you, I do
Need you
[Chorus]
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you (uh-huh)
Even when I'm with my boo,
Boy, ya know I'm crazy over you
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
even when I'm with my boo,
Ya know I'm crazy over you
[Nelly]
Uh-uh-uh-uh
I met this chick and she just moved right up the block from me
And(uh) she got the hots for me, the finest thing i've never seen
But oh, no, no, she's got a man and a sun joe doe
But that's o.k. cause I, wait for my cue and just listen, play my position like
a short stop, pick up everything mommy hittin
And in no time, i'm gonna make this friend mine
And that's for sure
Cause I, I never been the type to break-up a happy home
But(uh) somethin' bout baby gurl, I just can't leave alone
So tell me ma what's it gonna be she said----
[Kelly]
You don't know what you mean to me
[Chorus]
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Boy ya know I'm crazy over you
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Ya know I'm crazy over you
(Nelly)
I see a lot and you lookin'
I never say a word,
I know how niggas thought, i can trip in and hurt up on their girls
And there's no way-ay Nelly go fight over no dame-ame, (I
ain't fightin ova no dame) as you can see
But(uh) I like your steeze, your style, your whole demeanor,
The way you come through and holla and swoop me in his two-seater
Now that's gangsta and I got special ways to thank ya
Don't you forget it
But(uh) it ain't that easy for you to pack up and leave him
But(uh) you and me got ties for different reasons
I respect that
And right before I turned to leave
She said -she said-she said-
(Kelly)
You don't know what you mean to me (come on)
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Boy ya know I'm crazy over you
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Ya know I'm crazy over you
(Nelly)
Sing it for me K
Kelly(Nelly)
And I love you,(uh)
And I need you, Nelly I love you, (come on, girl)
I do, and it's more than you'll ever know,
Boy it's for sure, you can always count on my love,
Forever more (yeah)
(Nelly)
East coast, i know ya shakin right
Down south, I know ya your bouncin right(eh eh)
West Coast, I know ya walkin right
coz (You dont know what you mean to me)
Mid west, i see ya swingin right
(Kelly)
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Boy ya know I'm over about you
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Ya know I'm crazy over you
(Nelly)
(yeah, yeah)
East coast, I know ya shakin' right
Down south, I know ya bouncin' right
West coast, I know ya walkin' right
(You don't know what you mean to me)
Mid west, I see ya swingin right
(Nelly)
East coast, ya still shakin right
Down south, I see your bouncin right (dirty, dirty now)
West Coast, I know ya walkin right (coz)
(You don't know what you mean to me..)
Mid west, your still swingin right
(Kelly)
No matter what I do,wow
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Boy ya know I'm crazy over you
No matter what I do,
All I think about is you,
Even when I'm with my boo,
Ya know I'm crazy over you
(Nelly)
(yeah, yeah)
East coast, I know ya shakin' right
Down south, I know ya bouncin' right
West coast, I know ya walkin' right
(You don't know what you mean to me)
Mid west, I see ya swingin right
(Nelly)
East coast, ya still shakin right
Down south, I see your bouncin right
West Coast, I know ya walkin right (coz)
(You don't know what you mean to me..)
Mid west, your still swingin right
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 02:23 PM
No Letting Go Lyrics
wayne or was it wonder?
100% Legit..;)
Verse 1
Got somebody she's a beauty
Very special really and truly
Takes good care of me like it's her duty
Won't you ride by my side night and day
Chorus
No lettting go No holding back
Because you are my lady
When I'm with you its all about that
Girl I, am so glad we've made it
No letting go No holding back
No holding Back noooooooo yeah
When I'm with you it's all about that
All a that yeah yeah
Verse 2
They say good things must come to an end
But I'm optimistic about being friends
Though I made you cry by my doings
With Keisha oh Anisha but that
Was back then
Chorus
No lettting go No holding back
Because you are my lady
When I'm with you its all about that
Girl I, am so glad we've made it
No letting go No holding back
No holding Back nooooooooo yeah
When I'm with you it's all about that
All a that yeah yeah
(Bridge)
Really appreciate you loving me
After all that we've been thru
Really appreciate you loving me
All times,time
Repeat Verse 1
Got somebody she's a beauty
Very special really and truly
Takes good care of me like it's her duty
Want you right by my side night and day
Repeat Chorus Till Fade
No lettting go No holding back
Because you are my lady
When I'm with you its all about that
Girl I, am so glad we've made it
No letting go No holding back
No holding Back nooooooo yeah
When I'm with you it's all about that
All a that all a that
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 02:32 PM
Weeds mean lots to me.
I have a large garden in my backyard. I like flowers. Without weeds, I would never have this passion for the colourful.
Every morning, I spend half an hour or so pulling out weeds in my garden. I never weep for them.
But I appreciate the fact that they make the flowers stand out & keep me healthy!!!
Without Stupidity, there is no Intelligence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys, tonight is the night!
See you in that London pub!!
Posted by: Tyan at September 23, 2005 03:24 PM
MAREK DARIUSZ PODSIADLO:
Why don't you start your own blog? You could post all these words that belong to others on your site and then post links to your site here.
It would allow people like me that already know the lyrics to most of the songs you post to find the posts that are relevant without having to mindlessly scroll through your posts. If someone wants to read the lyrics you post they can follow the links you post. Also you could get an idea of the value of posting other peoples lyrics from the amount of resposes you would illicite.
One other point. Due to the way you have chosen to presence yourself here I decided weeks ago not even to check out this Dr. Wayne Dyer guy. Could you possibly be more of a demotivator?
Sorry but not hearing anything gets old after awhile.
Posted by: Laurence Peter Brown at September 23, 2005 03:54 PM
Lonely guy in a London pub,
Stupid as it sounds & I waste two seconds of my precious life to respond to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My favourite quote:-
"GOD give us life to enjoy, no more & no less."
I think we are on the same wave length.
Let us enjoy a beer or two in the pub.
Those guys are fighting real hard out there.
They are not allowed in!!!
Posted by: Tyan at September 23, 2005 05:42 PM
Some weeds can cure disease. They actually have a purpose. They produce chemical compounds that serve no purpose to the plant but fit lick a key in a lock in the human body, for whihc they were designed.
Kudzu can prevent binge drinking for example.
Dandelions are very pretty, why are they a weed? I think the herbicidal chemical companies promote the weed perceptions.
The pharmaceutical industry doesn't want you to know about these unpatentable drugs in plants. In fact they try to alter the natural molecule and patent it.
Laurence I will let you know regardng the journey.
Marek, I don't read the lyrics either and find them to be a waste of real estate, but I am intersted in what comes from your own mind in the present moment.
Aurora, I think the newborn baby is pure awareness and has no mind. Dogs are very happy, isn't that the goal? Perhaps the final and greatest incarnation is that of the Dog. It is God backwards, in disguise.
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 23, 2005 07:26 PM
Peter,
I will try my best to answer your question because it helps me to understand.
I think biologists did prove that plants feel pain when pricked, as opposed to a stone which feels nothing when hit. So there is some subtle stuff in plants too and that is what I call mind.
A primary component of mind is desire. Desire is subtle stuff. Every living being wants to live and does not want to die. Although animals cannot express this desire to live in so many words, we know they want to live. For example, a mouse runs to hide when it sees a cat. So also, plants want to live as well (I believe it and many others do too but I do not know whether there is a scientific proof). Some plants have thorns providing them a defensive mechanism.
A computer can play a game of chess and win against very good human chess players whom we regard as intelligent because the chess game does require a lot of strategy. So the computer is intelligent in that sense. But it has NO desire to win. When I said this to some friends (more than one), their immediate reaction was "the computer does not know, how can it have desire?" So, is the computer intelligent or dumb?
Figuring out strategies as well as desire are features of mind. We may say strategising is a mechanical feature and desire is a feature characteristic of life because desire cannot be produced in a lifeless machine.
Well, desire and knowing are NOT the same. In the video game example of one of my previous posts, I did not have a desire to win or lose the game when I played with my children but I was not dumb. There is no desire in pure consciousness and
that is the difference between mind and pure consciousness.
As regards, the words consciousness and pure consciousness: Ravi and I use consciousness with the same meaning, which is the same as the "pure consciousness" that Aurora refered to. On the other hand, on this site, the word consciousness is used in phrases like evolution of consciousness and levels of consciousness. I would ue mind instead of consciousness in such phrases.
Consciousness is a difficult topic and that is why there are so many books on it and that is why we discuss it again and again. It cannot be explained in a few words. So here is the disclaimer: It is quite possible that I am not clear.
Posted by: Syamala at September 23, 2005 07:55 PM
Peter,
I will try my best to answer your question because it helps me to understand.
I think biologists did prove that plants feel pain when pricked, as opposed to a stone which feels nothing when hit. So there is some subtle stuff in plants too and that is what I call mind.
A primary component of mind is desire. Desire is subtle stuff. Every living being wants to live and does not want to die. Although animals cannot express this desire to live in so many words, we know they want to live. For example, a mouse runs to hide when it sees a cat. So also, plants want to live as well (I believe it and many others do too but I do not know whether there is a scientific proof). Some plants have thorns providing them a defensive mechanism.
A computer can play a game of chess and win against very good human chess players whom we regard as intelligent because the chess game does require a lot of strategy. So the computer is intelligent in that sense. But it has NO desire to win. When I said this to some friends (more than one), their immediate reaction was "the computer does not know, how can it have desire?" So, is the computer intelligent or dumb?
Figuring out strategies as well as desire are features of mind. We may say strategising is a mechanical feature and desire is a feature characteristic of life because desire cannot be produced in a lifeless machine.
Well, desire and knowing are NOT the same. In the video game example of one of my previous posts, I did not have a desire to win or lose the game when I played with my children but I was not dumb. There is no desire in pure consciousness and
that is the difference between mind and pure consciousness.
As regards, the words consciousness and pure consciousness: Ravi and I use consciousness with the same meaning, which is the same as the "pure consciousness" that Aurora refered to. On the other hand, on this site, the word consciousness is used in phrases like evolution of consciousness and levels of consciousness. I would ue mind instead of consciousness in such phrases.
Consciousness is a difficult topic and that is why there are so many books on it and that is why we discuss it again and again. It cannot be explained in a few words. So here is the disclaimer: It is quite possible that I am not clear.
Posted by: Syamala at September 23, 2005 07:56 PM
That should be fit like a key, for which they were designed. I should proof read better I guess before I click post.
Tyan did you ever get a look at this collection regarding cancer?
http://www.intelegen.com/Cancer/CancerInfo.htm
Read and understand this and you will be very knowledgable.
If you can manage to get your self on the Internet and post a comment here, you can't qualify as stupid. There isn't a one of us that doesn't commit a small instance of stupidity from time to time, so you cannot claim a special status where that is concerned.
You might ask yourself what benefit do you get from thinking that? Does it give you an excuse?
I can tell you this whoever used to tell you that would do so because they did not have the intelligence or understanding to communicate somthing of substance. If others have a difference of perception or expectation some may claim they are stupid, when really it is just that they cannot accept that someone might choose to perceive diffently then they, or they simply do not try to understand or even want to understand another point of view.
There is ignorance of course, both natural and that which is deliberate or a result of a lack of effort to understand. The natural kind is quickly eliminated by teaching and transferring of intelligence but does not imply a lack of intelligence. The second kind is a choice and does show a lack of intelligence.
At least that is what I suppose.
Posted by: Richard Thomas at September 23, 2005 08:01 PM
Peter,
A correction. In the previous post, I should say: There is no desire in pure consciousness and
that is A (not the) difference between mind and pure consciousness.
Posted by: Syamala at September 23, 2005 08:03 PM
Syamala and Richard, thank you for beautiful posts and an interesting discussion. I agree with you, Syamala, it is difficult to talk about these things without using the same definitions... but then, how easy is it to define the concepts we're talking about? :)
I love to look into these things, and I could go on and on talking with you guys, about mountains and rocks and lakes that are containers of memories and emotions and are fully "alive", about the way our own level of perception makes them "inanimate", about the way human beings are starting to intuit a new perception when they talk about nanotechnology and "intelligent clothes" or "self-healing walls"... and so on :) I look forward to meeting you in other places on this blog and enjoy your views and intelligent questions.
Posted by: Aurora at September 23, 2005 09:59 PM
sorry guys..it´s a love and perhaps a Dharma thing..;) just trying to raise the awarness,
for a certain special..;)
http://www.ellie3.hyves.nl/
and myself,
http://marekpodsiadlo.hyves.nl/
Love, Passion!
Ps. I already started 20 something Blogs..;)
I have so much...gian shakti or love to give..?
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 11:19 PM
it´s sooo tough sometimes..;)
getting people on the path to..love, spiritual transformation..enlightement..synchrodestiny,
especially when..life is what happens,
when you´re making other plans?..;)
Love, and an adventure,
Peter Pan
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 23, 2005 11:43 PM
Hi Aurora,
Yes, I agree - the discussion and insights here are incredible!

After reading your post, I remembered once reading a heartfelt letter, written by Chief Seattle, sent to the President of the U.S. - in response to 'selling' land.
I know this is long. But......oh so beautiful and for me - resonates Truth.
Blessings to all, K
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?
Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.
We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.
The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.
The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.
If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.
Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.
This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.
One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator.
Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted with talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is to say goodbye to the swift pony and then hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival.
When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?
We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us.
As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you.
One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers after all."
Posted by: K at September 23, 2005 11:53 PM
One other point. Due to the way you have chosen to presence yourself here I decided weeks ago not even to check out this Dr. Wayne Dyer guy. Could you possibly be more of a demotivator?
- Not meaning to do that, but you have to know the Dr. Wayne Dyer is one of the greatest because
he can combine humor in spirituality, he calls it higher self mostly, and the ability to relavate, my first spiritual teacher, been a big fan since my 15-16th year, but what the living starlights he meant with ´manifesting the soulmate you can´t stand´ beats me! probaply a joke I don´t get, nevertheless, he is fantastic!
check him out!

from an interview:
MT: I want to take love into its aspect in relationship, because that's where I think most of us experience love. You wrote that partners are mirrors of ourselves, and so in falling in love we're falling in love with some aspect of ourselves.
DC: Yes, when we find delight in another person, we've actually found something joyful inside ourselves that involves a shift in our awareness, a shift in our perception, because the same person is not necessarily attractive to other people.
In relationship, whenever we're drawn to someone or repelled by someone, they're both mirrors of the self. We're attracted to people in whom we find traits that we want or desire in our own selves. And we are repelled by people in whom we find traits that we're denying in ourselves. So relationship is a true mirror of where we are in our evolution in consciousness.
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 12:40 AM
what he meant was, if I remember correctly,
that sometimes, they are there to learn us a powerfull lesson,
I used the quote out of context for fun lovin´reasons, don´t sue me!*
* like h!", sue my lovely fanny!, I kick your ass in court!...see..there I go again..;)
Love, Passion, lightheartedness and the Law of Karma ;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 01:04 AM
´Due to the way you have chosen to presence yourself here..´
- was that an Ego or Spirit need in the Law of Giving, a smile, joy and or maybe a good laugh?
;)
Love,
Ps. Like I care..whatever the world thinks of me..I think that´s called..internal referance..?
Ps. Intelectual Property..critics..;)
Ps. C U in court! ;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 01:13 AM
It´s a trademark...;) you got to have, a big mouth..;)
Havn´t you seen A Few Good Men? or read the Art Of War? The Book of Five Rings?
´A battle is won or lost, before it takes place´
Guess who? and how old this quote is?
and what was really meant by it?
ah, wel, I´m in a lecture state of mind...?;),
Disraeli: ´Nothing can resist a human will, that puts it´s exsistance on the purpose´
But the key is to de-escalate, the how is the art, before...well,
Peace is the Way, ;)
Love,
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 01:32 AM
1.
http://www.questionofhonor.com/
2.
http://www.adamzamoyski.com/
3.
http://www.krykiet.com/
Na zdrowie! ;)
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 01:38 AM
Childhood living is easy to do
The things you wanted I bought them for you
Graceless lady, you know who I am,
You know I can't let you slide through my hands
Wild Horses, Couldn't drag me away,
Wild, wild horses, Couldn't drag me away...
I watched you suffer a dull, aching pain
Now you decided to show me the same
No sweeping exits or offstage lines,
Can make me feel bitter or treat you unkind
Wild Horses, Couldn't drag me away,
Wild, wild horses, Couldn't drag me away...
I know I dreamed you a sin and a lie,
I have my freedom but I don't have much time
Faith has been broken tears must be cried,
Let's do some living after we die
Wild Horses, Couldn't drag me away,
Wild, wild horses, We'll ride them someday
Wild Horses, Couldn't drag me away,
Wild, wild horses, We'll ride them someday
http://www.elyrics.net/go/r/rolling-stones-lyrics/wild-horses-lyrics/
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 01:48 AM
The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where
he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
—Martin Luther King, Jr.
Civil-Rights Leader
1929 - 1968
http://www.lucidcafe.com/
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 02:05 AM
To a capricorn princess ;)
Keep on running, keep on hiding
One fine day I'm gonna be the one to make you understand
Oh yeah I'm gonna be your man
Keep on running, running from my arms
One fine day I'm gonna be the one to make you understand
Oh yeah I'm gonna be your man
Everyone keeps talking about me, make me feel so bad
Everyone is laughing at me, make me feel so sad
So I keep on running hey hey hey
All right
Keep on running, running from my arms
One fine day I'm gonna be the one to make you understand
Oh yeah I'm gonna be your man (hey hey hey)
Everyone keeps talking about me, make me feel so bad
Everyone is laughing at me, make me feel so sad (hey hey hey)
So I keep on running
Keep on running, running from my arms
One fine day I'm gonna be the one to make you understand
Oh yeah I'm gonna be your man
Hey come on
Make me feel so good
I wanna be your man
All Right
Come on baby
I wanna be your man
You know you make me feel so good
SPENCER DAVIS GROUP
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 02:12 AM
http://www.misspoland.com.pl/
cos pieknego..;)
Love, passion and a smile..
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 02:48 AM
I´m a scorpio, can I help it..;)
http://www.astrology.com/
They may be most persuasive orators and find fulfillment as diplomats or preachers and, if they make the Church their profession, their inner intensity can express itself in the spiritual fervor of the mystic or the thaumaturgy.
Scorpio is the symbol of sex and Scorpios are passionate lovers, the most sensually energetic of all the signs. For them, union with the beloved is a sacrament, an "outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace.".
Their overriding urge in loving is to use their power to penetrate beyond themselves and to lose themselves sexually in their partners in an almost mystical ecstasy, thus discovering the meaning of that union which is greater than individuality, and is a marriage of the spirit as well as of flesh. They are thus capable of the greatest heights of passionate transport...
;)

Artist: Scorpions Lyrics
Song: Send Me An Angel Lyrics
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The wise man said just walk this way
To the dawn of the light
The wind will blow into your face
As the years pass you by
Hear this voice from deep inside
It's the call of your heart
Close your eyes and your will find
The passage out of the dark
Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star
The wise man said just find your place
In the eye of the storm
Seek the roses along the way
Just beware of the thorns
Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star
The wise man said just raise your hand
And reach out for the spell
Find the door to the promised land
Just believe in yourself
Hear this voice from deep inside
It's the call of your heart
Close your eyes and your will find
The passage out of the dark
Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star
Here I am
Will you send me an angel
Here I am
In the land of the morning star
The hottest songs from Scorpions
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 02:57 AM
See the stone set in your eyes
See the thorn twist in your side
I wait for you
Sleight of hand and twist of fate
On a bed of nails she makes me wait
And I wait without you
With or without you
With or without you
Through the storm we reach the shore
You give it all but I want more
And I’m waiting for you
With or without you
With or without you
I can’t live
With or without you
And you give yourself away
And you give yourself away
And you give
And you give
And you give yourself away
My hands are tied
My body bruised, she’s got me with
Nothing to win and
Nothing left to lose
And you give yourself away
And you give yourself away
And you give
And you give
And you give yourself away
With or without you
With or without you
I can’t live
With or without you
With or without you
With or without you
I can’t live
With or without you
With or without you
U2
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/u/u2/141437.html
Posted by: marek dariusz podsiadlo at September 24, 2005 03:27 AM